Suggestion Forum Poll: PUP (10/03/09)

[Zeargi]

(Note- I'm merely expressing my annoyance at people downplaying PUP in a party, as if it shouldn't be in one, just because SE said something in one interview about soloing)

i have to agree with your frustration. Being in a party makes things flow so much easier. And hopefully this update will include all the pet jobs that are the sort of 'last choices,' and make them a 'Hey!Look there's a SMN/BST/PUP searching, get them.' I haven't seen anything for PUP yet, but the SMN and BST ones make me excited & hopeful.

Job abilities seem to be the answer though thus far from SE to fix things, so let's see how that works out. :3

(Sidenote: Ding 60! Love my hat. now must skill up and hit 61 for campaign battles ^_^)

[Alvaros]

it's still better in a party than it is solo.
All jobs can and should be viable in a party, and party play should not be discouraged when it's possible.

(Note- I'm merely expressing my annoyance at people downplaying PUP in a party, as if it shouldn't be in one, just because SE said something in one interview about soloing)

PUP is a solid DD, and has the ability to main heal, so it's definitely viable in party. Anyway, regardless of the job, all jobs are better in a party. Even a job like BST, which is notorious for its solo capability, will put up solid numbers and earn better exp in party than it could solo.

I look at the SE interview, and I look at the gear that was given to PUP when it was released, and it seems to me that SE was right-on for what they were attempting. At ToAU release, only BST could viably solo, so SE wanted another job to be able to do that. However, since then, we've been given the Signet patch, exp patch, FoV, campaign, and /Dnc, so now everyone gets to solo about as well as BST and PUP did when ToAU was released. Does this mean PUP doesn't solo as well as it used to? No, it still puts up good solo numbers. Does it mean that PUP doesn't shine as well in solo as SE may have originally intended it? Yeah, it kinda does. However, to balance those solo-enhancing patches, PUP was given some solid boosts to make it more valuable in exp pt. We've gotten access to more automaton WS's, better DD gear like Usukane, Cobra, mini-expansion armors, and DD gear that has augments to +pet stats, not to mention the mythic WS that arguably gave the best increase to a jobs' avg WS dmg. Further, we were given the soulsoother frame, so we can bridge over to a main-healing role if that's what is needed.

I will agree that PUP is better in party play then it is at solo... nowadays. It was introduced as a solo job, and evolved to fit the role it's in now. SE just balanced out the equation to suit what it saw people doing. They enhanced others' solo play, which intruded on PUP slightly, but in return PUP was given other abilities to make it more valuable to parties. PUP should neither be downplayed in solo nor in party, since it's both useful and powerful in either case.

[Tahngarthor]

has the ability to main heal,

I would never, ever have a pup main heal. Ever. At the very least not until the spell priorities are altered, which is quite possibly one of the biggest problems right now. Outside of that, it's only a few little buffs here and there that are really needed/warranted.)

[RosalynSable]

has the ability to main heal,

I would never, ever have a pup main heal. Ever. At the very least not until the spell priorities are altered, which is quite possibly one of the biggest problems right now. Outside of that, it's only a few little buffs here and there that are really needed/warranted.)

I wouldn't recommend main healing on Pup either, though I unfortunately have had to before. It was a lesser colibri party and our Red Mage... well... I guess you could say he was "red" at least, since he was wearing full AF. Problems began past that though when he did nothing magey at all. He was fighting trying to hit colibri with his sword. And we couldn't just kick him cause he was a friend of the party leader or something. And, hey, parties on Pup are few and far between. So, I put my puppet on Soulsoother and begrudgingly had my auto main heal the party. Got a sort of pattern going and it wasn't so bad.

But I still don't ever wanna do it again.

[Xantavia]

Was in a party awhile ago and for the most part, the pup was successfully main-healing. Fighting colibri at the ley-point, set up was 2xRNG, SAM, PLD, PUP, RDM. The Rdm was doing almost nothing, not curing, enfeebling, or enhancing (pld had to keep asking for refresh to help hold hate). It was the pup that was doing most of the healing for the party, and doing a good job of it.

However, I do understand main-healing can be tough for a PUP since one mistimed DAD will shut down the party for 20 minutes.

[Tahngarthor]

colibri are just about the only mob you can get away with that on. Anything with any status effects, and you'll have it removing Blind before it cures the guy that's in red HP.

And you should never DAD on it, use MP recovery attachments and rest a few ticks occasionally.

[Daremo]

Actually I've used Pup to main heal in a number of situations, exp party and event. I've done it in dynamis, a few times in Sea(hate Sea), ACP final battle was a stand out, other times. Subbing sch and knowing what your limitations are and what you're doing are key, after that it's not hard at all.

[RosalynSable]

Was in a party awhile ago and for the most part, the pup was successfully main-healing. Fighting colibri at the ley-point, set up was 2xRNG, SAM, PLD, PUP, RDM. The Rdm was doing almost nothing, not curing, enfeebling, or enhancing (pld had to keep asking for refresh to help hold hate). It was the pup that was doing most of the healing for the party, and doing a good job of it.

However, I do understand main-healing can be tough for a PUP since one mistimed DAD will shut down the party for 20 minutes.

Xan, that wasn't the same party I was in was it? We are on the same server, lol.

[urthdigger]

By the way, in case anyone is wondering, I'm leaving this up for a bit until the update hits

Besides, you guys seem to be enjoying it, or at least talking a lot.

[Krysten]

how about any update on PUP period? lol.

thanks SE.

[Eracle]

I would never join a party where the only healing available was through a PUP. If the PUP was PUP/WHM decked out in MP+ gear, then yes, between the master and the auto, there should be plenty of healing, but any other sub and it would generally be a death fiesta.

I can however, accept PUPs main healing colibri. Even got an ls meripo going back in the day and we forced a PUP to main heal. We were good for about an hour until we got crazy links and wiped lmao... 5 DD + BRD + Healing Autobot = om nom.

[Tahngarthor]

I would never join a party where the only healing available was through a PUP. If the PUP was PUP/WHM decked out in MP+ gear, then yes, between the master and the auto, there should be plenty of healing, but any other sub and it would generally be a death fiesta.

I can however, accept PUPs main healing colibri. Even got an ls meripo going back in the day and we forced a PUP to main heal. We were good for about an hour until we got crazy links and wiped lmao... 5 DD + BRD + Healing Autobot = om nom.

As I said, as far as XP parties go, birds are the only place I'd find it acceptable. minimally damaging, and no bad status effects for the automaton to favor over curing.

[Alvaros]

As PUP/WHM/soother I've actually main healed imp parties in the mire for decent exp. You need a good tank and a source of refresh, but it's possible. We were getting about 12k/hr. It's not amazing exp, but it's still good.

[Tahngarthor]

You need a good tank and a source of refresh, but it's possible. We were getting about 12k/hr. It's not amazing exp, but it's still good.

Or you can get a bunch of DDs, an RDM and a BRD, DD on PUP and get more K/hr.

What's this tank thing you speak of? >.>

Anyone here can tell you that fighting imps sucks compared to the other available options. Plus your auto will end up removing silence from people who don't need it before it cures people.

[Alvaros]

DDx4 Rdm Brd will get you much better exp... but PUP healer is still capable of giving decent exp.

Imp camps do suck. If you can get a level-sync or merit party to any of the Colibri camps, do it. In the end, just take what you can get.

When I did the main healing in the mire, as long as I Retrieved and threw Silena onto the tank myself, I could Deploy Pamama like usual and it would Cure the tank, without giving Silena to others. This was quite awhile ago though, there have been a couple of tweaks since then, so I make no claims about PUP's current ability to do that, since I prefer other camps.